| Tue, Nov 24 2009 05:14pm GMT 1 |
drew.paterson
108 Posts
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hi,
i have read a a few months ago a very intresting (if desterbing)
aticle on a breadr that uses artifical insemination for pekin
bantams. what are your thoughts?
personaly i think that this method shouldnt even be used in
commerial or non-comercial production. the procces is unnatural and
i feel sligtly rong.
but thas just how i feel, i would love to here some other appinions
and thoughts and also discuss the pros and cons.
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| Tue, Nov 24 2009 11:19pm GMT 2 |
Poultry Talk. com Team
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Hi Drew.
Well this is a very interesting topic.
When my dad use to be a commercial Turkey farmer he use
to use AI (artificial seminization). We were
considering trying it on our Orpingtons, obviously
these are harder to get good fertility with the birds
being so big...
In the end we never did. Although unnatural I think AI
does have it's positives and negatives.
For one thing the birds backs are not damaged so badly
by cockerels treading and for breeds that are harder to
breed it helps with fertility.
I don't think it is necessary for all breeds though and
think where possible it is nicer to do it naturally, as
well as being less stressful.
I can see why it is used in commercial systems, mainly
for being efficient and providing more standard results
and being able to keep males and females
separate.
Regards
Jamie.
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| Fri, Nov 27 2009 01:14am GMT 3 |
drew.paterson
108 Posts
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some vey good points there but i deforntely hink thato a domestic
scale it should be taken s a last resort and should be avoided
unless you no what your doing. not to sound dodge!lol
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| Tue, Dec 8 2009 12:01pm GMT 4 |
happylittlehenny
104 Posts
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My husband spoke to someone in Belgium who did it with a huge
breed of chickens called the Mechelse Koekoek which
was so big and heavy that males were unable to tread the hens and
so had to be inseminated otherwise they couldn't breed. Not really
something I'd like to do myself, and I suppose as in the case of
the Mechelse Koekoek needs must or they die out.
What I think is the difficult part for so many to get past
is the methods used to extract what is needed to inseminate females
with. I think I'd be rather uncomfortable doing this job
myself!
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| Wed, Dec 9 2009 10:43pm GMT 5 |
Orpy Lady
36 Posts
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I would gladly inseminate and have no hesitation at all if like my
little banty red orpington hen who does not allow the cock to tread
her at the moment, if this continues then I shall have to do it
otherwise I have wasted 2 years of breeding because of her likes
and dislikes. This is a necessary thing to allow her eggs to be
fertile. In a way it may be kinder as he could hurt her. He is a
bit of a bully. Sandy
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| Fri, Dec 11 2009 09:48pm GMT 6 |
happylittlehenny
104 Posts
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I would gladly inseminate and have no hesitation at all if like
my little banty red orpington hen who does not allow the cock to
tread her at the moment, if this continues then I shall have to
do it otherwise I have wasted 2 years of breeding because of her
likes and dislikes. This is a necessary thing to allow her eggs
to be fertile. In a way it may be kinder as he could hurt her. He
is a bit of a bully. Sandy
Yes I aree with you there Sandy, in your case with the red female
it's worth inseminating her, although without sounding naive, but
how would you go about getting what was needed from your male?
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| Tue, Jan 5 2010 02:45pm GMT 7 |
CCM
23 Posts
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I see nothing wrong with it, its used in all forms of livestock
breeding including human, lol. Essential if you want fertile eggs
from a good hen but still want her in show condition. There is a
vid on you tube but dont seem able to link it, just search for
artificial insemination for chickens.
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| Fri, Apr 16 2010 07:52pm BST 8 |
dan's chicks and chooks
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i think it could be potentially a good thing if used as a last
resort. it cant be comfortable for the cock to be messed around
with like that and the hen might not be too happy about that
however in the case of your red banty orpington i can see it
working! depends how tame your hens are and wether or not they like
being picked up or not. but if it is needed to keep a breed going
whats wrong with it? if you are female but cant have a child would
you be happy haveing AI?
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| Fri, May 7 2010 12:22pm BST 9 |
Jubilee
81 Posts
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There are several methods of obtaining sperm from a cockerel, and
two or three are shown on various websites. I would surgest it's
ONLY done by folks who know what they are doing as alot can go
wrong, and infections can be introduced through the vent of both
sexes, and internal damage done to the females if it's done
incorrectly.
Personally, my humble opinion would be, if you need to inseminate
for reasons reguarding the un-natural shape of the breed due to
over breeding the question has to be asked, why have we let the
breed get to a stage where it can no longer naturally tread? But if
it's a case of limited birds of a specific breed which is in danger
of becoming extinct or dangerously rare, then to save that breed i
suppose exceptions could be made. But, having said that, i would
have to suggest it's done by experts, not novice poultry keepers!
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| Fri, May 7 2010 09:30pm BST 10 |
archiesgems
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We have used AI on a couple of occasions, but only when lets say
borrowing sperm from fellow breeders stock, it is a good way of
getting the colours into your birds without the need to buy the
cockerels, you have to pay for the privalige mind you but its worth
it if you are preserving colour strains, or you have birds that are
difficult to breed.
But i must agree with Jubilee, its not for the faint hearted and
unless the correct, sterile tools are used infections can easily be
brought on by the operation.
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