| Thu, Jan 12 2012 10:20pm GMT 1 |

Abyes Shovel
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I will start at the start when we got the hens a few months
ago.
We got three hens from a battery farm, plumage in unpleasant
condition one has a slightly wry neck but healthy. The hen I am
here to ask about is Lola. Lola Has one middle talon missing on a
foot but has been healthy so far beautiful plumage different to the
two others. Her Comb and wattles have always been paler.
About three weeks ago Lola laid an egg with a crust then afterward
an egg without a shell or membrane of which she had began to eat,
however it was removed and she has not began to stand on eggs and
eat them. Just after this she puffed herself up, didnt move a lot,
lethargic ate less then usual, after around three days was fine
again. A week ago the same no weird egg, we provided porrige oats
with warm water and she was okay again. Today, after being fine
this behaviour started again unsure if she laid an egg but no
abnormal eggs at all she acted lethargic again ate very little and
drinking far more water than normal. Our other two hens are fine.
Suggestions.
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| Thu, Jan 12 2012 10:24pm GMT 2 |

Abyes Shovel
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By the way, they have all been treated for all parasites as soon as
we got them and they do not have the common diseases such as scaly
leg red mite etc, we treat for everything.
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| Fri, Jan 13 2012 12:03pm GMT 3 |

Lewis
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What did you treat them with for parasites? Have they been wormed
and what with?
Also are they on Layers Pellets - they need a good brand (such as
Smallholder range or the Ex Batt crumb/pellets) to provide them
with lots of nutrients and calcium
If this is the case you can supplement with Limestone Flour to
give her a calcium boose or there is a product called "Egg Shell
Improver" by Equimins which is great stuff and contains Calcium +
Phosphorous to strengthen up their egg shells!
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| Fri, Jan 13 2012 04:50pm GMT 4 |

Abyes Shovel
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They've had a course of calcium, treated with something from the
farm counter of our local vets not exactly sure what I'm posting
for my mum. They are on Ex battery pellets we have all of the diet
side of things right - plus she is the only hen thats ill. She has
eaten a little bit more today after some porrige oats again in warm
water this morning her faeces had a bit more substance, however we
aren't sure where it came from but my mum notice this afternoon the
hens were on the bench as they often go on there Lola and one other
Ruby who is in normal good health then they hopped off and went off
to eat some food in the coop, she looked for faeces out of the
window she noticed what looked like a small bit but left it to go
out. She went out to remove it when she got back and she realised
it wasn't faeces I saw it and I hoenstly have never sene anything
like it...it was a lump of flesh with a rubbery casing about 2inchs
long and half an inch thick, an inch or so across. My mum pulled it
apart a bit to see what it was and it was like cooked meat but not
like you would find from chicken breast or anything it was stringy,
pretty repulsive looking. I would have taken a picture but we threw
it away a bit disgusted, it was a pink colour just like cooked
meat, absolutly unmarked or touched it was firm not gooey or wet,
we have no idea where it came from as if wcouldn't have been
dropped by a wild bird or animal as they were on a bench that is
completely sheltered from the sky, and our garden is closed off.
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| Fri, Jan 13 2012 04:51pm GMT 5 |

Abyes Shovel
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Treated for worming and parasites from the over the counter stuff I
meant, my mum went and asked incase there was something special for
ex battery hens you see and thats what they told her to use.
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| Sat, Jan 14 2012 02:24pm GMT 6 |

Topflight
52 Posts
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Do you think this came from the chicken? or could it have been
something the birds had carried up onto the bench ie baby mouse,
squirrel, mole before they have any fur on them.
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| Sat, Jan 14 2012 08:10pm GMT 7 |

Abyes Shovel
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Okay I know your jsut trying to help but I know what a dead animal
would look like and there was no blood or organs it was just
stringy flesh on the inside. It's okay anyway I got advice
elsewhere, its a tumor.
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| Sat, Jan 14 2012 09:37pm GMT 8 |

Topflight
52 Posts
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So what you got to do with the bird now, dispatch it or what?
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| Sat, Jan 14 2012 11:29pm GMT 9 |

weeley
92 Posts
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Good grief - did the tumour fall off, or did they pass it? Sounds
gross - a horrible thing to have to deal with. It also sounds like
you're doing a grand and thorough job finding the best things to do
and get for your flock. I think your birds are very lucky to be in
your hands.
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| Sat, Jan 14 2012 11:56pm GMT 10 |

Abyes Shovel
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Not trying to offend by the way!
She had passed it, her whole body and vent is fine it must have
been internal.
Well today Lola is fine, she's been in good spirits. We take
exceptional care of them they get spoiled really haha.
We are going to see how it goes. If she has another bout of it we
will get her put to sleep at the vets because it would be cruel to
have her go through pain. She seemed great today I saw her running
aroung pecking eating worms and jumping about. Problem is when they
pass one tumor, its likely there are more and theres really nothing
you can do.
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| Sun, Jan 15 2012 10:33am GMT 11 |

weeley
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She sounds happy and I think you've got a very sensible approach -
there's no point in keeping a hen alive if she's miserable and in
pain. Was it definitely her who passed the tumour? Is it tumours
that are causing the problem, do you think? Or is that just a
separate issue? Please keep us posted - I'm sure Lewis and
Topflight and everyone else is rooting for you!
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| Thu, Jan 19 2012 04:52pm GMT 12 |

Foxy
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It wouldn't be a tumour, but part of the internal reproductive
system being shed, not uncommon in exbatts. This could have been
triggered by an infection.
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| Mon, Jan 23 2012 02:11pm GMT 13 |

Lewis
113 Posts
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The tumour you refer to is called a "Lash" - I've never had one
with my hens but have seen them and had them occur in chickens
bought into work.
They can sometimes occur at the end of a hens laying life if a
bit of oviduct or reproductive tract falls away.
Hope she is on the mend now
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| Mon, Jan 23 2012 07:07pm GMT 14 |

weeley
92 Posts
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Oh! I have had an egg with a huge lump of something poking out of
one end of it - it was absolutely disgusting. Was that one of
those?
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| Mon, Jan 23 2012 11:40pm GMT 15 |

Lewis
113 Posts
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I'd guess that was a Prolapsed Vent - where the vent turns inside
out or the uterus comes to the outside of the vent
Not very nice and is hard to sort and then even harder for it not
to happen again so in bad cases they often have to be humanely
dispatched
What was the case with your hen?
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